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Tommy_Puma

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Use my puma as my daily but also thinking of using it as a track car on the side, I took it round silverstone at the weekend and it held up really well, just lacking in power on the straights.

Current mods include:
4-2-1 manifold with sports cat (probably now a decat) and back box
Ramair induction kit
TAPE ECU
Mondeo V6 Brakes
Polybushed rear beam
Rear axle spacers
Lowered on some form of springs and aftermarket shocks.

The handling to me seems spot on. Maybe some new tyres may help.

But my thoughts for more power are struggling. Would an FRP remap as my car is now make much difference?
Do you NEED FRP camshafts?
Do you NEED FRP inlet?

What sort of figures is my car now and what to expect down these routes?
 
I had 4;2;1; piper manifold and frp remap before i fitted cams for a while and found it to be a bit more torquey..
But when I fitted the frp cams that was the icing on the cake....

But have since fitted a FRP gearbox aswel and I should of done that before any engine mods were done.
Personally I think the FRP gearbox is the best mod to do as your always in the power and acceleration is something else compared to std box..

The frp intake will give you more power at the top end of the rev range but who wants to pay 1000 pound for that...

Also keep in mind maybe uni chip instead of frp remap if your going to fit cams.The uni chip can be remapped to suit what ever engine mods you make in the future.
 
I have the frp map on mine.
Has a 4-2-1 manifold, sports cat and frp airbox.
Could tell the difference straight away in 1st and 2nd as the limiter has been removed. Also increased the rev limiter slightly.
I also agree with the previous comment that it has slightly more torque.
 
Bit of a thread Hi-Jack... Where do you get the FRP map from? I've seen it for a ridiculous £250 which seems extremely expensive.
 
Milkie said:
Bit of a thread Hi-Jack... Where do you get the FRP map from? I've seen it for a ridiculous £250 which seems extremely expensive.
http://www.pumaspeed.com/car-Puma-17_2_14.jsp" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
 
So the map does help! Thats the question i was wondering, not wanting to spend a lot on the puma really as its only my daily and maybe occasional track car. Will look into whether i can get a map squirted onto my ecu then off a mate who does remaps. Cheers
 
Question - does FRP map make car faster

Answer --- DEFINITELY

I took a frp mapped TAPE to Oulton earlier this year and fitted it at lunch.
Replacing a `Bluefinned` DIVE ecu...

It transformed the car taking several seconds off my lap times..
 
trublustu said:
Question - does FRP map make car faster

Answer --- DEFINITELY

I took a frp mapped TAPE to Oulton earlier this year and fitted it at lunch.
Replacing a `Bluefinned` DIVE ecu...

It transformed the car taking several seconds off my lap times..
Was it the extra rpm(limiter) and No torque limiter in 1st and 2nd that helped with the lap time do you think? Or was it the small bit of extra midrange torque you get out of it without frp cams?
Just curious cause I never had it on the track and found it nice and punchy but until i put in the cams could really notice the benefit..
 
It`s not just the revs. That just makes the car 200% more drivable (I was forever bouncing off the rev limiter in 4th) though it must have helped.

It did have more `go` (really noticeable)

The exhaust note changes dramatically too.
Much deeper and rawer (is rawer a word? meaning more raw.)
And with it comes the best bit. They crackle like f*** on the overrun, it sounds better than any omex pop box!!

It`s possibly down to the ignition timing and fuelling. The FRP cams need setting a couple of degrees out and I have since found and fitted a set. It (almost) eliminates the crackle (and makes the car as fast again)

If all the FRP bits are fitted It gives about 30 bhp
Each component of the frp kit probably gives 4-5 bhp. With the big power coming only if they are all working in unison.

All my car needs is the inlet and its there. I recon (but not rolling roaded yet) 140bhp if I`m lucky.
I just gotta decide if 13 more bhp is worth £600+
 
trublustu said:
It`s not just the revs. That just makes the car 200% more drivable (I was forever bouncing off the rev limiter in 4th) though it must have helped.

It did have more `go` (really noticeable)

The exhaust note changes dramatically too.
Much deeper and rawer (is rawer a word? meaning more raw.)
And with it comes the best bit. They crackle like f*** on the overrun, it sounds better than any omex pop box!!

It`s possibly down to the ignition timing and fuelling. The FRP cams need setting a couple of degrees out and I have since found and fitted a set. It (almost) eliminates the crackle (and makes the car as fast again)

If all the FRP bits are fitted It gives about 30 bhp
Each component of the frp kit probably gives 4-5 bhp. With the big power coming only if they are all working in unison.

All my car needs is the inlet and its there. I recon (but not rolling roaded yet) 140bhp if I`m lucky.
I just gotta decide if 13 more bhp is worth £600+
I have a similar set up to yourself.. Puma speed FRP remap,frp cams,piper full frp replica exhaust. But recently got my hands on a mondeo 2ltr TB ported by lms and have had puma linkages fitted...Also got some std inlet runners ported out and inlet bored out to suit the larger TB.. then in the shop for a uni chip and map to suit... Should be interesting to see the out come.... also just fitted a frp gearbox which I absolutely adore.. The gear box just tuned it into a hoodlum...:)
 
Gear settings... Final drive goes from 3.8 std to 4.2...
LSD frp gear box is a hard find..
The frp gear box accelerates a lot better than std.. But it has a down fall... 120kmph 4000rpm in 5th so if you do a lot of motorway driving your better off sticking to the speed limit...

But get it in the twisty mountain roads and its great craic..
 
The FRP box has exactly the same ratios as a standard 1.7. But has a lower ratio final drive (from the 1.6) to cope with the bigger wheels.
On 15`s it`d go like sh** off a shovel...

It also had shot peened 1st and 2nd gears
Possibly to cope with lack of traction control?

Not all were LSD. I would trade a limb for a Quaiffe mind you.
 
trublustu said:
The FRP box has exactly the same ratios as a standard 1.7. But has a lower ratio final drive (from the 1.6) to cope with the bigger wheels.
On 15`s its go like sh** off a shovel...

It also had shot peened 1st and 2nd gears
Possibly to cope with lack of traction control?

Not all were LSD. I would trade a limb for a Quaiffe mind you.
Personally i think a single spinner frp diff is grand until maybe 200 hp then the lsd would be warranted. Mind you I havnt driven a puma with a lsd before so I only know what I know..
Also I dont do track days but have full intentions of doing Mondello next year...Thats the only track we have here in Southern Ireland..
 
Mine lightened in the extreme and only goes on track.
Even running semislicks at low pressures I rip up the tyres coming out of all but the faster corners (no t/c)

I`d like to do a road trip to Mondello some day. Taking in Kirkistown while I`m at it. :)
 
Here`s the cars` build thread...

http://www.projectpuma.com/viewtopic.php?f=64&t=26160" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
 
Been offered a DIVE ecu with the pumaspeed map on it. But that would then throw up the MIL light because it would read the second lambda sensor... Awaiting a reply from my mates supplier to see whether he can get the FRP standard mape on my TAPE ECU... Dont fancy spending £250 on a map for my second car lol
 
Personally I'd stick with the TAPE ecu.. They're the best all rounder and the easiest to work with. Especially if you've modified your exhaust system.
 
jimfrp88 said:
Personally I'd stick with the TAPE ecu.. They're the best all rounder and the easiest to work with. Especially if you've modified your exhaust system.
Yeah will suit my exhaust a lot better!

Next question... I have a cam locking tool which says it fits 1.7 pumas. Will i be able to use this to fit frp cams?
 

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