Puma / Evo IV Mashup

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ArtfulHussy

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This is an idea that's been knocking about in my head for a wee while. Not something I am able to do in the near future (or perhaps ever) but I know there's a lot of super-mechanics on here and would be v interested if someone cared to brainstorm this.

I was thinking about AWD conversions for the Puma. Obviously there are Cossie conversions going around, but I do love a turbo'd Evo screamer and was wondering if it's possible to get the joy of an Evo's performance with the great looks and size of the Puma. At a very basic level I've found that the Evo IV has the closest wheelbase / track to a standard Puma.

Evo IV WB - 2510 mm
Puma WB - 2446 mm
Diff = 64 mm

Evo IV Track (front/rear) - 1470/1470 mm
Puma Track - 1450/1411
Diff = 20/59 mm

So, engineers, mechanics, brain-boxes - what are the first things that pop into your head?!
 
It's a lot of work! Those numptys on chop shop did a similar thing with a MK3? Golf a couple of weeks ago (on Quest) by installing Impreza running gear. It wasn't bad until Lepu? got loose on it.
Barry
 
Aye, i figure it would take a lot of metalwork and probably some actual engineering to relocate turrets for a start. But after that and a trans tunnel (which is obviously doable) would there be much chassis modding to do, d'ya think?

I've never seen chop shop. Is it worth a look at all? They must do some half decent stuff, surely?
 
Nothing to my taste but it's entertainment.
I think a lot of people might miss this but one of the problems I think you would have with this is that the steering rack is in the wrong place on a FWD Ford and would get in the way of the gearbox so you would have to use an Escort or Sierra rack. Then you would need a crossmember to mount the rack, then struts with steering arms to the front (probably EVO or Escos) etc etc etc.
Barry
 
Would it not be possible to chop and weld the chassis to take the full evo setup, inc steering, subframes etc? My structural mechanics ain't that hot (haw haw..) so I'm sure there would be some spanner in that idea that wouldn't even occur to me..
 
Subframes are definitely the best way to go but trouble is a FWD shell has a short wide engine bay whereas a RWD/4WD has a longer engine bay (is the EVO longitudinal like an escort Cosworth?) so there would be a lot of bodywork chopping and welding. I think Ford used the full floorpan and chassis layout of the Sierra Cosworth 4x4 as a basis for the Escort Cosworth.
Barry
 
Flying Scotsman said:
Lets just say it has been thought of and possibly in the pipeline...
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You're such a fkn tease.

Barry, you've given me more food for thought. I am going to study this further and revert back for more direction. :D
 
Tbh whichever way you go down this it's going to be expensive and a lot of work but if I was going to do it I'd be looking for a MK1 or 2 Escort shell to do it to, but each to their own.
Barry
 
thought about it myself as i had a puma and a evo,but decided to sell the puma and spend the money on the evo,the evo engines aren't cheap mind go for a 5 up engine if you go for it as the 1-4 suffer with crank walk you can mod the later bearings to solve the prob but its alot more work.
 
That's weird for a 4WD. I can't imagine what the gearbox layout is or where the rear prop comes out but thanks for that Ian.
Barry
 
tuonokid said:
That's weird for a 4WD. I can't imagine what the gearbox layout is or where the rear prop comes out but thanks for that Ian.
Barry
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old post but,it has a transfer box that bolts to the back left side of the gearbox and that connects to the prop,bloody think is a nightmare to refit and line up and weights a fair bit,is a good workout tho :)
 
madhillbilly17 said:
tuonokid said:
That's weird for a 4WD. I can't imagine what the gearbox layout is or where the rear prop comes out but thanks for that Ian.
Barry
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old post but,it hads a transfer box that bolts to the back left side of the gearbox and that connects to the prop,bloody think is a nightmare to refit and line up and weights a fair bit,is a good workout tho :)
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Have you tried to change clutch on a subaru? Same thing, after you have unbolted it all it is nightmare to align everything back together…

Regarding your original question: on Mechanical studies we were tought two MAJOR laws of engineering.
The first (irrelevant in this case but still) is: what isn't there can't break down! (i.e. keep it simple!)

The second (applies here): If the costs aren't important, ANYTHING can be done….
 
Transverse 4x4s arent that uncomon, all the evos are, the rs 2000 was, all volvos are, all the susukis i have seen (not bigger 4x4) are, and so on and so on, not realy that much harder to work on, but shurley not as simlpe as a longditudionaly mounted one :)

There is actualy a frp whit a transverse cossie engien, amd evo gearbox, a cossie rear Axel in existens.. cant remember Whos it iis at the moment, but its been sittimg dormamt for some time...
 
PumaJay said:
In a nutshell.. Yes you could do it.

Cut the body off the evo and then weld a puma body onto it would be the easiest solution, bit if chopping here and there, fit a roll cage and you'd have an evo with puma bodywork.

Some guy has done it with a Citroen C2 so it is possible!

http://www.pistonheads.com/GASSING/topic.asp?h=0&t=1167010&mid=0&nmt=C2+Evolution
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Think i would have just stuck with the evo :) the evo is a much better looking car than a c2 and to be honest the early models are light,the std bonnet is aluminium i know that much not sure what else is,i think my 4 weights around 1300kg some cars of a similar size are 2 ton! the newer evo's are heavier due to more gadgets tho,great sleeper tho if you can put up with it's looks lol.
 
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