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XIIVVX said:
I don't think all Apple products are shit. I own an iPod, a great piece of kit.
OK, I'm glad we can agree on something! We can probably also agree that while the hardware is great, the iTunes software has become a bloated monster, regardless of which operating system you prefer.

XIIVVX said:
My antipathy is based on being in control of budgets in advertising agencies for far too long. The creative fairies 'had to have' Macs or they felt their entire self worth was undermined, despite the fact the IT guys proved time and time again that we could get more performance for less by buying Windows/PC alternatives. However back then Windows was a lot more unstable, and losing work because some idiot design-child hadn't saved as he/she went along was a big worry.
I have had to work with the design fairies of which you speak - they also tend to be the ones you find in Starbucks wearing turtleneck sweaters and thick rimmed glasses even though they've got 20/20 vision, the ones giving Mac users a bad name, so I can appreciate your ire.

When I was Pro-PC was in a similar timeframe - when Apple mice still only had one button, and everything Apple cost several times as much as the PC equivalent.

Nowadays, Apple stuff is still expensive, but not to such an offensive degree in my opinion. Yes, you can buy a much more powerful PC for the same money, but I consider myself a computer user with higher than average expectations and my lowly 2007 2.13ghz Core 2 Duo with a mere 2Gb RAM is more computer than I will ever reasonably need - i.e., unless you're someone like Dal who has extreme computing requirements, I don't think power is as much of a concern as it once was; you can't really buy a computer which doesn't do the things most people want a computer for. Your average punter probably wouldn't know what a Core i7 was if it punched them in the face.

I could probably get by with a netbook, in fact I won a Dell Mini 9 with built-in 3G through Vodafone - but it annoyed the hell out of me with its quirks. I tried putting a stripped down XP on it using nLite, but it still didn't give me the consistent computing experience I enjoy with the Mac so I gave it to my brother.

XIIVVX said:
But then, despite all rumours to the contrary, Macs do fail, and when they do the costs are eyewatering. A PC could be fixed and up and running for fourpence, Macs required specialist support with call-out charges and incredible spares costs. (I recall in the days when a PC mouse with three buttons and scroll wheel was a tenner, a replacement, single button Apple mouse was around £70)
I think it would be unreasonable to expect that every device coming out of the Apple factory will never fail, in the same way that it would be unreasonable to expect the "best" sportsmen and women to always win. Take the world of tennis for example - even Federer, Sampras, and the Williams brothers had their off days.

On that note - when the likes of the Williams brothers consistently win all the tournaments all the time, people don't like it. Apple seem to have had a string of wins over the past few years - and similarly I think that gets on people's nerves.

The key here, for me, is the frequency of the failures, and the consistency of behaviour when they are working; I genuinely believe that failures happen less frequently per 1,000 units with Apple kit than PCs.

Certainly in my experience, the time between "working" and "failed" is much more consistent, not that I've had a "failed" Mac yet - I hardly ever need to reboot my Mac or "turn it off and on again" or reformat and reinstall the OS like I did with my Windows boxes in the past. It's simply performed perfectly day in, day out, for five years - something I've never had with any other computer since I first got my hands on a ZX81 some 25 years ago (when I was 5 - I always got my Dad's old computers when he'd moved onto the next one), followed by a Dragon 32, Commodore 64, and progressing via 16-bit platforms like the Atari ST and Amiga, 8086 with a 5Mb Winchester, 286, 386, 486SX, 486DX, Pentium and so on.

I was an IT guy for a Waste Management company 8-9 years ago - and we did a complete desktop refresh, around 200 units. Got a good deal from a HP/Compaq broker - however, when the units arrived, a proportion of them were DOA, several failed within a few weeks - not the end of the world; that's par for the course when buying in volume. I'm sure you'd get a few duds if you ordered that many Macs as well. The worst thing with these machines, though, was that although they were all the same model, purportedly (same box, same serial number etc), some of them had a slightly different motherboard or graphics card or whatever, such that the machine image I'd ghosted to them all didn't work on a fair few of them and I had to specifically configure the randomers!

My point here being that the flexibility and interchangeability of parts to make "a computer" can also be a double-edged sword. The time wasted fixing the randomers probably outweighed the savings we made by going HP/Compaq - if we'd spent a bit more and got Fujitsu-Siemens machines, who guarantee all the parts will be the same in a batch, it probably would have ended up being more cost effective overall.

By the same token, I don't begrudge the silly amount of money I spent on my Macbook, because based on historical PC purchases I reckon I would have spent more on PC laptops over that same period of time, either because I would have had to replace it at some point over that same timeframe, or the unquantifiable value of my time spent maintaining it to run at its best; something I don't have to do with my Macbook - it always runs at its best. Or at least it did until I installed Lion - but that's fair enough - I've installed 2011's operating system on a 5 year old computer; it now performs slightly less well than it did, but it's still very very good. It performs considerably better than my work-provided 3-year old HP laptop did when they upgraded it to Vista, for example.

XIIVVX said:
All I have seen of the iPhone is that it is a great little pocket computer and music player strapped to a pretty crap phone.
Maybe I'm one of the lucky few, but I've never had a dropped call or reception issues whether sat at my desk at work, on the sofa at home, in a car or on a train.

XIIVVX said:
Me? I chose on the basis of the software I need (In my case aviation navigation) and buy the best phone to run it. That is not the Apple product.
I'm assuming it's an Android handset. I wanted to like Android, and I haven't been afraid to try the other platforms like the now defunct WebOS and QNX. I used to put custom patched Windows Mobile builds on my XDA and XDA II from xda-developers.com to get it running at its best.

I think maybe because I've spent so much time in the past tinkering with my computers to get it "just right" - I simply can't be arsed any more, and Apple gear, while not perfect in every situation you can imagine, does most things right, most of the time, without any intervention or maintenance by me and that suits me down to the ground!
 
For someone that claims not to be an apple fanboi, you are doing one hell of a job of trying to defend them...

;)

Lets just say that we all like different things and leave it at then eh?

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And you seem to want to finish it!

Bored now.
 
I'm not defending Apple per se, more that there are some Mac owners out there (admittedly in the minority) who have made that choice for reasons other than keeping up appearances, keeping up with what's trendy or as some kind of status symbol, that's all.

There is much to dislike about Apple as a company - scant regard for the environment, human rights issues... but no more than any other multinational. That said, I usually avoid the Nestles, Coca Colas, Nikes, Unilevers etc for sociopolitical reasons - but I can live with the fact my laptop was made out of babies. Just.
 
Voa said:
I appreciate Mac products from a technical and engineering aspect because unfortunately I work in the crap industry so have to use these products every day , windows idiosyncrasies adds a layer of stress to my everyday stress caused by my job !!!!! lol
Amen to that.

I do have a confession to make though: I actually genuinely like Windows 7; it's the least worst Windows ever now we've had a service pack and drivers are readily available. I don't like it enough to switch back though. 8)
 
evilrob said:
I'm assuming it's an Android handset.

No, it's Windows Mobile 6.5 running SkyDemon.

Nothing to touch the software and, much though the idea of the wider range of Android 'apps' appeals to me on the surface, I know I can't be arsed to download them onto the iPod so I almost certainly wouldn't onto a phone..

My phone preforms three functions in order of priority

Comms - Texts - E-Mails - Voice (In that order)
Nav - Skydemon and Co-Pilot
Cam - Stand-by image recording when the proper camera isn't to hand. And that's all.

Interestingly all the pilots with iPhones are clamouring for SkyDemon to be ported across, but the publishers refuse adamantly to get involved with Apple and its 'control-freakery'
 
XIIVVX said:
My phone preforms three functions in order of priority

Comms - Texts - E-Mails - Voice (In that order)
Nav - Skydemon and Co-Pilot
Cam - Stand-by image recording when the proper camera isn't to hand. And that's all.
That's pretty much exactly what I use my phone for, in the same order, though with Skype in there somewhere as well on the comms front, and without the Skydemon part - had a quick google; looks like a cracking piece of software! Responsive developer, too, which is always nice.

Regarding the camera, I have a photographer friend who likes to quote: "the best camera is the one you have on you" - and how true that is. I've got dozens of photos which aren't going to win any prizes for clarity or picture quality, but have captured moments that would otherwise be forgotten thanks to the trusty cameraphone.
 
Well this is awkward...

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:lol:

(Sorry, couldn't help myself)
 
Well there was no grand unveiling of the iPhone 5, but Apple has instead revealed another model - the iPhone 4S, complete with a built-in 'personal assistant' that responds to voice commands.

Claimed to be twice as fast as the previous iPhone 4, the new model will use the same speedy A5 processor as the iPad 2. And though the 4S does look the same as its predecessor, Apple chiefs say it has been completely rebuilt on the inside.

There was slight disappointment in the air as Apple boss Tim Cook made the announcement in San Francisco at the company's Cupertino HQ, in his first landmark unveiling since taking over from Steve Jobs, who stepped down due to illness.

He said: "Only Apple can make such amazing software, hardware and services and bring them together into such a powerful yet integrated experience."

The iPhone 4S device may be seen as a stop gap between the iPhone 4 and forthcoming iPhone 5, which is now expected to launch in the summer of 2012.

Devoted Apple fans now face the conundrum on whether this latest step-up model has enough new features to justify upgrading.

Battery life on the 4S has been given a fairly big bump, with the 4S getting eight hours of 3G talktime or nine hours of use via Wi-Fi.

Also upgraded is the phone's camera, going up to an eight megapixel sensor that's 30 per cent sharper and has 3264x2448 resolution.

In a bid to match traditional point and shoot snappers, Apple has added the ability to detect up to 10 faces in any photo and given owners the ability to take a picture within 1.1 seconds with just half a second between shots.

The iPhone 4S will also feature Apple's latest iOS 5 operating system with up to 200 new software features and iCloud, which allows them to backup all their content and share it between an iPhone, iPad, iPod touch and a Mac computer.

Part of the new model is what Apple is plugging as an intelligent voice recognition system known as Siri. Described as a personal assistant, it can apparently understand the meaning behind words to bring up information such as the weather or the latest news.

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If you needed to know..

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Chinaman: Oh, herro Birry. What's that guy doing? Rook at him tarking to his terephone!
Billy: That's just sirry.

I think Siri is the brainchild of some asians having a raugh.
 
Well that was a monumental waste of time.

I think I'll be getting my new HTC handset this weekend.
 

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