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FireFly90

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Okay, so i'm ready to choose my Puma, i'm going for a 2000/01 black 1.7 with air con and leather seats (optional). Ideally i want to try and avoid ones with rust if i can help it but i know it will happen sooner or later.

The only thing i'm a bit concerned about is distance, most of the best results have been in the north of England whereas i live in gloucester, although my brother lives in tamworth area which might help as he offered to help out.

I've been looking through autotrader and ebay and got 5 possible candidates (i can post links if need be). If anyone knows any good links other than autotrader and ebay please do tell. =)
 
Where's Mac when you need him? He seems to have a knack for finding the good ones, sure he will be along shortly to help you out, good luck and just remember you don't have to buy the first one you see, if in doubt walk as there are plenty out there. Heard some good advice on here the other day when a member advised someone to save about a third of their budget for work you will want to do. Plus have you checked the for sale thread on here? Sometimes there are some little gems like the one yip recently sold. :grin:
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/ford/puma" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.exchangeandmart.co.uk/used-cars-for-sale/ford/puma" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/for-sale/search/used/ford/puma/coupe-1997/_/sort/lowest/rpp/20/page/1/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.motors.co.uk/used/cars/ford/puma" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Just a few to be going on with for you
 
Okay so i think i've narrowed it down to 2 cars that i could visit in one day, one which is in Sheffield and the other in Durham.

1. http://www.sheffieldcarcentre.com/used/FORD/PUMA/AETV12170651" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
2. http://www.buyfromusautopark.co.uk/used-cars/ford-puma-1-7-black-3dr-meadowfield-201301497358185" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Out of these the one i prefer is the 2nd one, but i do like the the lower lights on the 1st, although i called up the dealer and when asked he didn't know whether they were running lights or fog lights.

Any opinions?

Edit: found in Grimsby option number 3. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ford-Puma-1-7-2001-Coupe-Black-Leather-Interior-/251222082719?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item3a7e00c49f" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Edit 2: Now i found one in Cheltenham for £950, http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2001-FORD-PUMA-1-7-BLACK-SPECIAL-EDITION-ONLY-67K-MILES-FFSH-LEATHER-SEATS-/290858493316?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item43b8846584" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; though the advert says has some rust which bodyshop quoted £200 to fix. Is this good/bad?
 
Just a point - the F1 wheels fitted to the limited edition "Black" are a pig to refurb because of the dummy split rim nuts which are plastic. My car had them originally fitted as dealer fitted option but I changed them for 9-spokes which I could have easily powder coated.
 
Food for thought but you'll need to be quick on this.

Go see the one in Cheltenham,
Regarding the rust Iv been recomended Blue oval services on the tewkesbury road in cheltenham (behind the range) by a good friend who runs a german garage specialist. They quoted me £350 to cut out the rust and replace with new metal and also tidy up my paint in area's prone to chips e.g behind the wheels. (which on here people have said is a good price)

Taking into consideration the F1 wheels
Iv spoken to a Gentlemen on ebay who is selling 9 spoke wheels with bridgestone tyres with a good 6mm of tread left on them. and the best part is he is in cheltenham. Iv got his number so pm me if your interested. the ad ends in 3/4 days i think.
and he is negotiable on the price but he said to me it would be under £200 (i cant afford them this week other wise id have them)

Could get your self a puma with two sets of wheels if your quick.

PaulZ

Edit: Note the open to offer's you could knock £50 off that price without much difficulty.
 
I could go and look at the sheffield one for you. It's literlly minutes from where I live. I'm no mechanic but at least I could give it a closer look
 
Puma Babe said:
I could go and look at the sheffield one for you. It's literlly minutes from where I live. I'm no mechanic but at least I could give it a closer look

That's kind of you, but i think i've already settled on the cheltenham one, and i've arranged a viewing on saturday of the Cheltenham one where i intend to buy before anyone else does.

PaulZ said:
Taking into consideration the F1 wheels
Iv spoken to a Gentlemen on ebay who is selling 9 spoke wheels with bridgestone tyres with a good 6mm of tread left on them. and the best part is he is in cheltenham. Iv got his number so pm me if your interested. the ad ends in 3/4 days i think.
and he is negotiable on the price but he said to me it would be under £200 (i cant afford them this week other wise id have them)

Do you have a link?
 
Have you checked if the cambelt has been changed? If not you will be looking at another very large bill straight off and could get some more money off because of this! :wink:
Have you taken a puma for a test drive yet? any puma? top tip even if you know this is the car you would like find a puma near you and take it for a spin so that your not blinded once you get behind the wheel. More chance to use your head. Just a piece of advice I wish someone had given me and well meant :)
 
lrrhood said:
Have you taken a puma for a test drive yet? any puma?

Not driven as such, i have sat in one that was at a dealership in Gloucester but that was about it.
 
You've never done this before have you... Never buy the first one you try! And certainly don't go there having already decided you're going to buy it. You will fall in love with it even if it's shit. Be prepared to walk away; there are plenty out there.

I looked at about 20 Pumas before I bought my second one!!

Here's my checklist:

Paperwork:
HPI check it for any recorded accidents / that it isn't nicked etc.
Check the VIN matches with the logbook - you can find the VIN under a flap of carpet near the driver's seat near the door, and also on a plaque under the bonnet and a plastic insert in the front of the dash viewable from the outside near the tax disc
Check all the MOT certificates for advisories, even the old ones; if old MOTs are not present you can look them up online.
Make sure the receipts/dates tally with the log book / MOT advisories.
Look for documented oil changes - the more the better

Nice receipts to have:
At 70k a few things will need doing probably, so if you've got receipts for any of these, that's a bonus:
See if the clutch has ever been replaced - it will probably need doing at some point around the 80,000 mile mark if it's still on the original
Check if the suspension bushes / drop links have ever been replaced
Check when the cambelt was last done; should be within the last 5 years. Ideally you want to see an invoice that shows it also had the rocker cover gasket, water pump and aux belt done too.

In the car (none of these things are deal-breakers but if they start to mount up you may want to walk away or use your list of niggles to bargain with):
Check the remote central locking/boot opening works from the key fob (if there is one)
Check all the keys work in all the locks (check you have at least two keys - one should have a red tab in it or it may be entirely red; this is your master key - without this you won't be able to program any spare keys you might want to get)
Check the boot opens and closes properly, that the light works (on the right) and that the jack is present (in a compartment on the left) - don't worry if the parcel shelf falls off; this is a Puma quirk
While you're in the boot check the rear passenger seat release works (two grey knobs either side of the boot) - you should then be able to push the top half of the rear seat forward for extra boot space when required
Make sure the front seats go back and forwards on their runners, that they adjust properly and that the mechanism for folding them forward so passengers can get in the rear works properly.
Check all the seatbelts fasten correctly and move in and out smoothly, and that the seatbelt pretensioners (the bit you plug the seatbelt into) aren't scrunched up (they should be ribbed, but straight - if they're compressed it means the car has had an abrupt stop, possibly an accident, at some point and the airbag has gone off - there should be a warning light if this has happened but unscrupulous people smash the bulb to hide this
Check the glovebox opens and closes nicely (a lot of them are saggy and fall open) and the sun visors move smoothly
Turn the key in the ignition until the lights on the dash go on, but don't start the engine - make sure all the lights come on and then go off (except for two)
Check all the electricals/controls - indicators, hazard button, horn, fog light, heated rear window switch, heated front window switch (if fitted)
Check the windscreen wipers are working front and back on all the speeds, and windscreen washers, ideally they shouldn't judder or smear (there should be caps on the wiper arms as well - if there's a nut exposed, then it's missing (and they often are) - not the end of the world
Check the electric windows go up and down all the way and don't stick / groan, and that the electric mirrors work (if fitted; I can't remember if the Black had these as standard)
Check the radio/CD player works - put a CD in, change the volume (the volume knob can sometimes have a mind of its own), test a few radio stations (AM/FM etc- the radio can often fail to tune into some frequencies) - the 6000CD player is a piece of shit, so if it works chalk that up as a win
Check the interior for rips, tears, stains, scratches etc. Check the leather on the steering wheel is clean and smooth; if they're not looked after they can go shiny and lumpy.
Check that the door cards are securely set and don't flap about or rattle

Exterior/Under the bonnet:
Check the windscreen for chips, and that there aren't any larger than 10mm across in the area covered by the windscreen wiper as it sweeps across - this is an MOT failure and will require a new windscreen:

windscreen-zonea-440.jpg


Check the state of the bodywork - look for dents, scratches, badly-aligned panels, stone chips, rust
Check the alloys for corrosion / kerbing and tyres for signs of uneven wear (this is an indication of tracking/alignment needing to be done)
Push down firmly on all four corners of the car - it should spring back firmly; if it's a bit too bouncy the dampers are probably on their way out (if you're not sure what spongey suspension looks like, if you take it to a garage they will probably do this for you anyway)
Pop the bonnet and check the oil level - it should be a nice golden colour and visible on the hatched section of the dipstick. If it's black and hanging off the end of the dipstick, walk away. Also check the other levels - PAS fluid, coolant etc.
Take off the filler cap and check for "mayo" produced by oil and water mixing - this is a sign of a failing head gasket (also be suspicious if the cap is exceptionally clean!) - Pumas are not known for head gasket issues though, so don't get too hung up on that

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Look for any evidence of oil leaks - the rocker cover gasket is notoriously leaky

WIth the engine running:
Start the engine with the clutch pressed down - should roar into life straight away and purr away between 800-1000rpm. If the revs fluctuate or it feels lumpy, you may be in for a fun ride trying to work out if it's the Idle Control Valve, PAS pressure switch, MAF, lambda, air leak, coil pack, spark plugs, HT leads etc. etc. etc. Lumpy idle is a pain in the arse but you will find out what's causing it eventually.
Check all the lights - side lights, main lights, full beam, number plate lights, interior lights
Check the headlight level adjuster - listen out for excessive noise or clicking, this may indicate this isn't working properly
Check the air con is working nice and cold and doesn't smell after you turn it off

Test Drive:
Listen for knocks and squeaks if you go over any speed bumps or uneven road - knocking may indicate some expensive suspension work is required
Make sure the car isn't pulling to one side or the other and that the steering feels tight and responsive; if doesn't feel straight and true, the car may need something as easy as tracking, or something as expensive as a new wishbone.
The gear change should feel smooth, and it should accelerate smoothly through the rev range
Some Pumas get a bit lumpy / feel like they're about to stall at low revs / when slowing down for traffic lights and junctions - again, could be any number of things but you'll fix it eventually; you'll probably want to find one that doesn't do this, though
Check the brakes feel responsive (although even the best Puma brakes aren't brilliant
After the test drive, check the handbrake feels firm and tight, then check the heater on all four settings on both hot and cold; make sure this is working or the HCV or resistor pack may need replacing (not the end of the world) - no point doing this til the engine is warmed up as the air will be cold regardless of setting when the engine is cold

General tips:
Take a friend/relative who knows about cars if you can, or even one that doesn't - just to keep you grounded/second opinion. If not, ask the seller before you go if you can take it to a local garage for an inspection on the test drive; if they refuse, walk away. Call some local garages and find one that will give it a quick eyeball for you. Any decent garage will give it a look over for free, others might charge you. If you don't know how to check for a slipping clutch, ask a garage to do this for you as well (but it's courteous to check that the owner is OK with them doing this first!)

Don't go on your own and rely on 'gut feel' alone. If you go on your own and buy it on the basis that it 'feels' right, it will be entirely down to luck whether it turns out to be a gem, or if it will break your heart a few months down the line.

Important note:
Sill and arch rust will be way more than £200 to fix properly (i.e. rust cut out and new metal welded on). I wouldn't expect to get much change from £500 for a really good job from a reputable body shop; £200 will get you filler and a blow over that will need to be done again in 6 months time. Also bear in mind the alloys on the Black edition are tricky to refurbish due to the plastic rivet-effect rims; so if they're showing any signs of corrosion or kerbing, you'll probably want to factor in the cost of a new set of wheels.

Good luck! Hope it's a good 'un. :thumbs:
 
:shock: ... wow... just wow

And yes I am new to this, it will be my first car after all, and at the age of 22 I think its a bit overdue :| . But I'm not stupid, I might be going with the intention of buying but if there's something that doesn't seem right i will walk. I'm planning on taking my dad with me anyway so he can give his opinions; I'll print off a list of stuff to use as a check-list too.
 
FireFly90 said:
I'm not stupid
I wasn't suggesting you were stupid - it's very difficult to be objective when buying a car; we've all bought a car with our heart rather than our head at some point; sometimes you get lucky, other times it's a whole world of pain!

FireFly90 said:
if there's something that doesn't seem right i will walk.
You say that now, but you won't be able to get your wallet out fast enough from the moment you sit in it, you big gay bear.

PS - you are a lucky fucker getting a Puma as your first car. Some of us have had to suffer dozens of shopping trolleys before we found the Puma. It's all downhill from here... :-D
 
Ginger Tom said:
f__king hell Rob, that one big list of stuff. I'll get you to look over the next one I buy
Lol... to be fair, you are at the opposite end of the pedantic scale.

Ginger Tom's Checklist:
Is it a car? Yes. Job done.

Surely time to wheel this out again:
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evilrob said:
PS - you are a lucky f__ker getting a Puma as your first car. Some of us have had to suffer dozens of shopping trolleys before we found the Puma. It's all downhill from here... :-D

... sorry? :? you say shopping carts but at least it's an engine and 4 wheels, i was at uni for 2 years with only a provisional licence and a pushbike. And coming back home to the middle of nowhere interesting with only a TV and internet for company has been a bit depressing for me.

It's very easy to be cynical about this, but really this is important for me, not just for convenience and freedom, for my Morale as well. So sorry if it sounds like I'm thinking with heart than head, but i need this.
 
I'm not sure how you've managed to take offence at this.

I understand completely how important buying a car is, particularly your first one, or I wouldn't have spent two hours typing out a list of things for you to look out for. :?

I was just saying you've picked a great car to start out with, and that your next one will almost certainly be a disappointment. Having owned two Pumas since 2009 I have no idea what I'll replace it with when the time comes, because you have to spend a lot more money to buy a car that's anywhere near as satisfying and rewarding to drive.
 
evilrob said:
I'm not sure how you've managed to take offence at this.

I understand completely how important buying a car is, particularly your first one, or I wouldn't have spent two hours typing out a list of things for you to look out for. :?

Sorry, guess i'm just in a funny mood, happens sometimes especially when I'm tired :oops: I guess the first para of that long post sounded a bit dream-crushing if that makes sense :?

I do appreciate the help, really :)
 
FireFly90 said:
at least it's an engine and 4 wheels
Someone gave me this monstrosity once cos I was skint, couldn't afford to fix mine, and needed a motor to get to work:

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That pushbike doesn't look so bad now, does it? :-D
 
My 1st car back in 1987 was a Mk1 Escort. Paid £150 for it. It was a real rust bucket with loads of mechanical work needed. It was the first car I looked at and because it had a six clock dash I had to have it. If nothing else I learned alot about working on cars as well as never buy for the wrong reasons. All said and done if you really like the one you are going to look at & don't mind the odd bit of work then go for it. You never forget your fist car just like you never forget your first love. Both can break your heart for all sorts of reasons.
Hope it works out OK and you get yourself a Puma to be proud of.
 
evilrob said:
FireFly90 said:
at least it's an engine and 4 wheels
Someone gave me this monstrosity once cos I was skint, couldn't afford to fix mine, and needed a motor to get to work:

x90.jpeg


That pushbike doesn't look so bad now, does it? :-D

You've obviously not seen where i have to ride down to get into town, after the weather we've had over the last few months i'd need one of them to get down the path :-D
 
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