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Sorry again, but you can't get downforce without adding drag.

If you can there will be racing teams queuing up to buy the secret from you for large sums of money.
 
scarei said:
I am talking about the track not road,and down force don't just work a 60+ mph can eork lower


im talking about track too, and downforce will not have too much of an effect at much lower speeds. 60 was just a guideline to speeds you may be doing to take advantage of it, i didnt mean aero only works at 60 onwards and as soon as you hit 59 it stops working.

If you are lifting off on corners at high speed, you need to stop and learn some throttle modulation, and you will solve your problem instantly without any stick on bits
 
Ur assuming for one I cart drive,2 under 60mph downforce I ain't worried about, and 3 if it trying to much the car to beat personal best ur ganna wanna tray and go ass fast as u can so if u enter in to a cornor little to fast and life of, the car may want to oversteer so I wanted to no how this parts (vg's,diffuser,spoiler) well help not how I am driving.

There ain't many ways to gain downforce with low drag, a diffuser is one opinion,but unless I am f1 team and can have a drs rear spoiler then that's ganna produse drag and downforce,not really worried about that.

Just wanted to no how much I well gain from the parts I said.
 
If you are only worried about high speed downforce, and you are getting lift off at high speed, then you arent driving right. Thats the whole point im trying to get across.
 
Look all I wanted to now how good this parts work on a puma that's all! If I want to no I am driving rong I well right a thread about that but for now, how well do them parts work on a puma weather it be individualy or all togeather.

And ut telling me say entering a conor at high speed and u need to lift of the throttle to change down,that's driving rong,or braking and and truning in to a cornor?
 
Like you just said you want to know about aerodynamics not how to drive a car, I doubt that anyone can tell you how the parts work together as from why I've seen none of the cars on here have a complete aero package on them.

Pm me if your interested in what I have to say
 
scarei said:
Look all I wanted to now how good this parts work on a puma that's all! If I want to no I am driving rong I well right a thread about that but for now, how well do them parts work on a puma weather it be individualy or all togeather.

And ut telling me say entering a conor at high speed and u need to lift of the throttle to change down,that's driving rong,or braking and and truning in to a cornor?

yes you will lift off but you do all the braking and gearwork in a straight line before the corner, if you start doing it after turning in you're going to have a whole host of problems, aero being the least of your worries
 
Ginger Tom said:
Like you just said you want to know about aerodynamics not how to drive a car,

disagree, hes asked about aero yes, but hes also complained about the car having unpredictable oversteer and asking about aero as a solution to combat that

im pointing out that aero wont help and addressing the driving probably will. Thats not being arsey that saving the guy time money and effort lol
 
a standard puma with perfectly controllable and progressive lift off oversteer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3QuH7z1Z1o" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

and thats 3 up in the wet......
 
I have pushed a car till I had to lift out round a long bend and it spat me in to the trees,on the track ain't really worried bout it as much as that,but I would just Like the rear of the car to be planted,well the hole off the car,I want to get rid of understeer just as much as oversteer I mearly just said I don't want that,but both are just as important,and things have got twisted badly
 
I have never driven a 1.6, maybe they are in some way different because of the weight change, but it would be difficult to find a reasonably priced car whose back end is more 'planted' (Whatever you take that to mean) than the standard Puma. It can feel a little skittish and doesn't respond well to irregular surfaces, but nothing that is particularly worrying.

You can easily induce lift-off oversteer, it is just as simple to control it, catch it, use it.

If you wish to reduce oversteer and understeer together you are talking some very expensive suspension mods. Simply using up some of the existing suspension travel by forcing the car downwards with aerodynamic aids will not achieve that aim, it will just slow you down - probably not a bad idea anyway
 
It was a escort,all so had the same thing in a fiesta.

The suspension for now is going to be spax adjustable with Polly bush,maybe vibrotec as well,
 
If as you describe you were having to lift off mid corner then you were pushing the car too far plain and simple. Either you entered the corner too fast and washed out, or you entered ok and put too much throttle coming out the corner washing wide meaning you had to lift off.

To change that with aerodynamics, you would need to spend thousands and preferably have access to a decent simulator software or a wind tunnel....

however you would be able to go faster by refining your driving, eg left foot braking to reduce the front understeering rather than just lifting off.

Then if you want to spend money, suspension, bushes, sticky tyres etc wouldnt cost you much but would achieve far more grip in the real world.

we arent having a go at you, just a lot of people here have a LOT of experience with pumas handling and even modifications.

Unless youre doing it for the sake of it, you will just be wasting your time and money for little gain if you go down just the down force route.

Several pumas in the UK are run in sprint and race championships and even when they are allowed to modify aero, very few make any major mods as it just doesnt make that much difference for the level of performance most pumas will ever have.

even my car with 350bhp plus just doesnt need tons of aero. My car is biased towards RWD with the torque split, and even then, the F2 spoiler provides more downforce than i could ever need. In fact at high speed, despite the front matching splitter, above 120mph you can feel the back being pushed down heavily and above 140mph its enough to make the front go light.....

so unless you are running crazy power in a high calibre race formula then you just dont need to spend all your effort on downforce.
 
I was lifting of because I was coming to a junction,
And I don't want mags down force, just downforce and so it looks good as well
 
So ur running 4x4 drive what the biased 2/3 power to the rear of the car,and with 4 wheel drive u gain mechanical grip, I no what u mean about only a spoiler but I just like vg's and diffuser and large spoiler
 
if youre just doing it for looks, then crack on. Just dont expect it to make any significant positive difference as it wont have been designed for your car so wont be working efficiently.

yes 4wd biased 60/40 to the rear.
 
Yh so ur getting a lot of mechinal grip,and Yh looks and whatever grip I can gain from them mod
 
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