BlackKnight1982
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Hows the removal of the torque limiter working out for you?
Was that a rolling start on the second vid tho?
Was that a rolling start on the second vid tho?
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PumaNoob
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I didnt use the torque limiter switch, i didnt need it, and if i have enough power without it, i wont use it, im more likely to break something!!! Thats good news for any1 planning to do a forced induction puma, the turbo or S/C sort of over comes the torque limiter. If im honest, i was scared to use it while accelerating, as there was already alot of torque, and thought i might break something!!!
Yes, it was a rolling start, ive got some vids from a standing start, but i need to edit the number plate out, but ive got no clue how to do it!! If not, im sure my mate will be happy to come along to the "private airfield" and get some more footage!!
Yes, it was a rolling start, ive got some vids from a standing start, but i need to edit the number plate out, but ive got no clue how to do it!! If not, im sure my mate will be happy to come along to the "private airfield" and get some more footage!!
PumaNoob
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I know, we wont be able to use it much longer, they are building it into part of a village, thats why all those things are there, in preperation for incorporating it into the local village, but for now, its still private!! 
PumaNoob
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Heres the vid of my turbo against the 1.8 VVC rover coupe!!
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=219oYw-gj9w[/youtube]
Its a pretty quick car, heres a video of me and saddam hussain (look in the car, its really him) on our airfield racing my standard puma with full miltek and K&N air filter, so id guess about 135 bhp, and it dosent stand a chance with the coupe, i even turn the camera forward, and hes long gone!!! The coupe has a great power curve on its rolling rd print out!
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owSK2mNWQOs[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=219oYw-gj9w[/youtube]
Its a pretty quick car, heres a video of me and saddam hussain (look in the car, its really him) on our airfield racing my standard puma with full miltek and K&N air filter, so id guess about 135 bhp, and it dosent stand a chance with the coupe, i even turn the camera forward, and hes long gone!!! The coupe has a great power curve on its rolling rd print out!
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owSK2mNWQOs[/youtube]
BlackKnight1982
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I don't you can remove the torque limiter on the earlier pumas doing a switch as the earlier puma uses a mechanical speedo cable?? is this right??
PumaNoob
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Mines not an earlier puma, its a 2001, but ive tried the switch accelerating in 1st and 2nd, and have to say that i can feel no difference what so ever! The speedo drops off like its supposed to, but i can feel no difference in the torque, ive tried pressing it mid way through accelerating to see if i feel a kick, but nothing. But then i do have the racing puma map, but i was told by the previus owner that he thought it still had the torque restrictor on it, but you never know. That is unless, the switch just dosent wrk!! It does feel like 3rd gear has more torque then 1st and 2nd, so for all of you with the puma like mine, it dosent wrk, ill be taking mine off this weekend, but i think it was worth a try!! Im off to shakespear raceway tommorow, our private airfield has been closed for bank holiday weekend!!! Ill post up some 1/4 mile times, if i get 15 secs or lower, ill be very pleased, as the racing puma can only do it in 16.44 secs (on paper). Details to follow
It may be the other way around, maybe the switch only works on earlier pumas, my silver puma is the analogue dash, so i could try it on that!
It may be the other way around, maybe the switch only works on earlier pumas, my silver puma is the analogue dash, so i could try it on that!
PumaNoob
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Whent to avon park today, only got 3 runs due to safety precautions, but im pleased with the results!! Ill show you the last run 1st, the time was slow, as i tried to up the boost to 10 psi from 7, and it seemed to overboost, so ill have to look into that!! You can hear it popping as the power cuts, but the ecu is still putting fuel in!! Anyway, i raced the Skoda octavia Rs, and even with that slight power cut, i still beat him! The Octavias come with 180bhp as standard, or 197bhp as standard, so either way, im pleased.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjwoM2hiYZM[/youtube]
Now this video is the 1, i was up against a Morris, with a 2.0 zetec on carbs, pushing 180bhp & rear wheel drive! He got a lot better start then me, as im struggling to put the power down, and he had massive tyres on the back! But if you watch, i just catch him at the end! Ill leave you all to look at the 1/4 mile time!!
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnxZRD3F6uA[/youtube]
Have a few mods in mind to try and bring that down a bit too, so watch this space!
Just to compare, a fiesta Zetec s does it in 18.29 secs, and a 1.7 puma does it in 17.22secs.
Anybody who knows a thing or 2 about drag racing will know that 2 or 3 seconds on a 1/4 mile is alot!! My time wasnt the best time in the world by any means, but for what ive spent and for the set up ive got, its not bad at all!! :thumbs:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjwoM2hiYZM[/youtube]
Now this video is the 1, i was up against a Morris, with a 2.0 zetec on carbs, pushing 180bhp & rear wheel drive! He got a lot better start then me, as im struggling to put the power down, and he had massive tyres on the back! But if you watch, i just catch him at the end! Ill leave you all to look at the 1/4 mile time!!
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnxZRD3F6uA[/youtube]
Have a few mods in mind to try and bring that down a bit too, so watch this space!
Just to compare, a fiesta Zetec s does it in 18.29 secs, and a 1.7 puma does it in 17.22secs.
Anybody who knows a thing or 2 about drag racing will know that 2 or 3 seconds on a 1/4 mile is alot!! My time wasnt the best time in the world by any means, but for what ive spent and for the set up ive got, its not bad at all!! :thumbs:
TyeBoi
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well done mate!
PumaNoob
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Thanks mate, ive put alot of hard work into this, so its nice for it to finally be comming together at last! When you comming down to get your car done? I havent forgot about the exhaust mate, i just havent got around to taking it off yet!! I think a new camshaft is in order next, slightly longer duration, and slightly higher lift!
TyeBoi
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sounds mean!
I am hoping to get it done as soon as but its looking more like a month or so away now as money is tight and i keep having to fork out for this break and bush upgrade!
lol moneys tight so the longer it stays on the more I can worry about this cambelt first but yeah you know how to reach me when the time comes.
I am hoping to get it done as soon as but its looking more like a month or so away now as money is tight and i keep having to fork out for this break and bush upgrade!
lol moneys tight so the longer it stays on the more I can worry about this cambelt first but yeah you know how to reach me when the time comes.
yippeekiay
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Brilliant, glad your finally getting some return on all your hard work.
Keep it up
Keep it up
BlackKnight1982
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nice vids
PumaNoob
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Thanks for the comments guys, im pleased with the results, but ive decided i want to get a little bit more, so im going to buy a megajolt mappable ignition system! There are a few reasons for this, 1st is because i can slightly retard the ignition on full boost, so i should be able to run more boost, so hopefully more power, and secondly (this is just a theory) i think the only way the torque limiter can work is through retarding the ignition spark, as the clutch is mechanical, so there is no way the ecu could physically lift the clutch off the fly wheel, and besides, if that were to happen, it would burn your clutch out pretty damn quickly! The only other thing it could do is put less fuel into the engine, which would also be dangerous as it would lean the mixture right out! If it gets rid of the torque limiter, then its worth the money, as its only about £180, and to get a remap to remove the torque limiter, would be around £300! Ill still have a limiter up to about 2000 rpm, as im still not sure about the gearbox and driveshafts taking the power, and if im racing it, it will only be below 2000rpm when im pulling off, so will give a bit more protection to the driveshafts and gearbox. Im also going to install a map sensor to run it, so i can retard the timing a little at max pressure.
All comments and thoughts on this welcome!!
All comments and thoughts on this welcome!!
warrenpenalver
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done well for a budget project!! Just think once its all fully set up and perfectly fuelling it will be even better!!
PumaNoob
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Thats what im thinking, ive got the bug now, after going to avon park, and there ware cars getting 11sec quarters, it just makes me want to do more to get mine faster. Ill never get 11secs, but i think a 14sec isnt out of the question, ill be looking for an LSD, for a better launch, and instead of a megajolt, i might go for Megasquirt. I dont know anything about it, other then the fact that i can use the existing 36:1 flywheel,crank sensor, & coil pack. Also a higher lift and possibly longer duration exhaust cam. Im only running 7psi, so i think i should be able to run 10-12psi once everything is set up properly, not sure what power ill be looking at, but should be interesting!
PumaNoob
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It depends on what kind of power you want (i know everyone says as much as possible), but also depends on how handy you are with a set of spanners, and the time you have. For about 150-160bhp, you wont need to lower the compression (although it would be better if you did) so you wouldnt need new head gasket, head bolts, and all gaskets around the head, aswell as getting it all timed up again. If you cant do all that yourself, that will save you alot of time and money!
So basically, youll a plate to attatch a turbo to your manifold (SonnyP can get you 1, not sure how much) a small turbo, like a T2 or T25, id use an intercooler, not 100% necisarry on low boost, but as youll probarbly go for standard compression, id reccomend 1. Youll need a bunch of silicone hoses, and some aluminium pipes (you can buy an intercooler kit off fleebay). Youll need oil feed and oil return pipes, powerboost valve, and a custom downpipe. If you go for the saab 9000 turbo like me, you can just modify the saab 9000 downpipe to fit, that will save you a fortune, as a custom downpipe will set you back at leaste £200, and youll find alot of exhaust places will struggle with it, as theres not alot of space at all. If you can do all the work yourself, you can do it for around £500!
But if youve not got alot of experience with engines, it will cost you alot more, theres a fair amount of work, and it could end up costing you alot. You need to remember that the more power youre getting out of your car, the less reliable it can become. If you want to go the whole hog, you can either buy low compression pistons (about £800 plus) or use a decompression plate (£40 plus p+p), obviusly low comp pistons would be ideal, but the de comp plate works fine for me. Then you can go for aftermarket management, youll be looking at about £300 for piggyback, then wiring, then mapping and rolling rd time, or £600 upwards for standalone management, then wiring, and mapping, or you can just use standard ECU, and manually adjust the fuelling, and play with the cam timing to get the power curve where you want it. Im going for megajolt (about $200 plus shipment from US), looks fairly easy to wire in, and should allow me to put the rev limit to whatever i want, remove the torque limiter, and run more boost by retarding the ignition. If your any good with wiring ect, then megasquirt or megajolt are the cheaper way to go, you can achieve as good results as the more expensive management, but a fraction of the cost, although, if you use megasquirt, you will loose the VCT. If you dont already know, mega squirt is a kind of DIY ecu system, and megajolt is made by the same people, but only controls your ignition timing.
So basically, youll a plate to attatch a turbo to your manifold (SonnyP can get you 1, not sure how much) a small turbo, like a T2 or T25, id use an intercooler, not 100% necisarry on low boost, but as youll probarbly go for standard compression, id reccomend 1. Youll need a bunch of silicone hoses, and some aluminium pipes (you can buy an intercooler kit off fleebay). Youll need oil feed and oil return pipes, powerboost valve, and a custom downpipe. If you go for the saab 9000 turbo like me, you can just modify the saab 9000 downpipe to fit, that will save you a fortune, as a custom downpipe will set you back at leaste £200, and youll find alot of exhaust places will struggle with it, as theres not alot of space at all. If you can do all the work yourself, you can do it for around £500!
But if youve not got alot of experience with engines, it will cost you alot more, theres a fair amount of work, and it could end up costing you alot. You need to remember that the more power youre getting out of your car, the less reliable it can become. If you want to go the whole hog, you can either buy low compression pistons (about £800 plus) or use a decompression plate (£40 plus p+p), obviusly low comp pistons would be ideal, but the de comp plate works fine for me. Then you can go for aftermarket management, youll be looking at about £300 for piggyback, then wiring, then mapping and rolling rd time, or £600 upwards for standalone management, then wiring, and mapping, or you can just use standard ECU, and manually adjust the fuelling, and play with the cam timing to get the power curve where you want it. Im going for megajolt (about $200 plus shipment from US), looks fairly easy to wire in, and should allow me to put the rev limit to whatever i want, remove the torque limiter, and run more boost by retarding the ignition. If your any good with wiring ect, then megasquirt or megajolt are the cheaper way to go, you can achieve as good results as the more expensive management, but a fraction of the cost, although, if you use megasquirt, you will loose the VCT. If you dont already know, mega squirt is a kind of DIY ecu system, and megajolt is made by the same people, but only controls your ignition timing.
Fury556
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Very nice mate, i've been away worrying about my own project lol. If you can do most of the work yourself - the cost of parts isn't really too great if you know where to look. If you need any spare turbo bits i have 2 T2's from an Escort RS Turbo which have knackered shafts/impellors if you need some to play with. I've ended up getting a Hybrid T4 (T3 housing) for my project, which is going to be lethal!
