phew what a week of projects.

[Ginger Tom]

When I get the xr2 done I might get you and your dad to set it up for me k:

Happily mate only issue is the engine has to be on pectel and out the car for the Dyno, an issue for some people but I love it not having to run in the engine for 100's of miles in the car lol.

The issue wouldn't be with having to get the engine out, it's the ecu bit, I'm running dta s60 and associated loom

 

[PumaNoob]

Its amazing, when i first joined this site, nobody was really talking about engine conversions or aftermarket ecu's ect, there were 1 or 2, but now the knowlege on the site is amazing, there are quite a few people here with real in depth knowlege.

 

[RyanG]

Its amazing, when i first joined this site, nobody was really talking about engine conversions or aftermarket ecu's ect, there were 1 or 2, but now the knowlege on the site is amazing, there are quite a few people here with real in depth knowlege.

Yep I think I could talk to you for hours

 

[RyanG]

When I get the xr2 done I might get you and your dad to set it up for me k:

Happily mate only issue is the engine has to be on pectel and out the car for the Dyno, an issue for some people but I love it not having to run in the engine for 100's of miles in the car lol.

The issue wouldn't be with having to get the engine out, it's the ecu bit, I'm running dta s60 and associated loom

Hmm have you bought the ecu yet

 

[PumaNoob]

Its amazing, when i first joined this site, nobody was really talking about engine conversions or aftermarket ecu's ect, there were 1 or 2, but now the knowlege on the site is amazing, there are quite a few people here with real in depth knowlege.

Yep I think I could talk to you for hours

You should have come to ford fair and me, you and tom could have bored the hell out of everyone talking about nerdy car stuff!!! :lol:

 

[Ginger Tom]

When I get the xr2 done I might get you and your dad to set it up for me k:

Happily mate only issue is the engine has to be on pectel and out the car for the Dyno, an issue for some people but I love it not having to run in the engine for 100's of miles in the car lol.

The issue wouldn't be with having to get the engine out, it's the ecu bit, I'm running dta s60 and associated loom

Hmm have you bought the ecu yet

Yeh :-( bought and had it ages, just getting fucked about with the loom :crazy:

Its amazing, when i first joined this site, nobody was really talking about engine conversions or aftermarket ecu's ect, there were 1 or 2, but now the knowlege on the site is amazing, there are quite a few people here with real in depth knowlege.

Yep I think I could talk to you for hours

You should have come to ford fair and me, you and tom could have bored the hell out of everyone talking about nerdy car stuff!!! :lol:

Yeh, your missus looked as happy as mine did when we started to talk about the nerdy car stuff lol

 

[paulob1]

hmm I here what you are saying pumanoob. I will start steady and sure with the steel engine, this I really would like to rev the bejebus out of...maybe as high as 10k..and this one will get to be honest a head that is either with or without vvt...depending on the shop that does the porting and how easy it is to remove...I suspect i will stay with std at first, then move onto more extreme after I have it running...to be honest I just love a screaming engine...

the steel engine has cut pistons and will take high lift cams...but it will alldepend on how I feel and how much spare cash I have at the time of doing it all..

the std buggy with 150 bhp is running fast 1/4 miles already...and is a real hoot...but its short wheelbase and too twitchy for any real speed...the long wheelbase std beetle will be much better...

 

[ScubaSteve]

r u a m8

 

[RyanG]

Its amazing, when i first joined this site, nobody was really talking about engine conversions or aftermarket ecu's ect, there were 1 or 2, but now the knowlege on the site is amazing, there are quite a few people here with real in depth knowlege.

Yep I think I could talk to you for hours

You should have come to ford fair and me, you and tom could have bored the hell out of everyone talking about nerdy car stuff!!! :lol:

Haha name a time and place, would love a look at your frp. I insure mine the first of October

 

[RyanG]

When I get the xr2 done I might get you and your dad to set it up for me k:

Happily mate only issue is the engine has to be on pectel and out the car for the Dyno, an issue for some people but I love it not having to run in the engine for 100's of miles in the car lol.

The issue wouldn't be with having to get the engine out, it's the ecu bit, I'm running dta s60 and associated loom

Hmm have you bought the ecu yet

Yeh :-( bought and had it ages, just getting f__ked about with the loom :crazy:

Its amazing, when i first joined this site, nobody was really talking about engine conversions or aftermarket ecu's ect, there were 1 or 2, but now the knowlege on the site is amazing, there are quite a few people here with real in depth knowlege.

Yep I think I could talk to you for hours

You should have come to ford fair and me, you and tom could have bored the hell out of everyone talking about nerdy car stuff!!! :lol:

Yeh, your missus looked as happy as mine did when we started to talk about the nerdy car stuff lol

Haha she had a fun day then lol.

Shame I don't think the old chap had done a lot with dta

 

[RyanG]

hmm I here what you are saying pumanoob. I will start steady and sure with the steel engine, this I really would like to rev the bejebus out of...maybe as high as 10k..and this one will get to be honest a head that is either with or without vvt...depending on the shop that does the porting and how easy it is to remove...I suspect i will stay with std at first, then move onto more extreme after I have it running...to be honest I just love a screaming engine...

the steel engine has cut pistons and will take high lift cams...but it will alldepend on how I feel and how much spare cash I have at the time of doing it all..

the std buggy with 150 bhp is running fast 1/4 miles already...and is a real hoot...but its short wheelbase and too twitchy for any real speed...the long wheelbase std beetle will be much better...

Bloody hell 10k rpm. I think I might pull mine at 10000 one time to see if it will hold on to the power there but wouldn't dare rev it there in the car.
You will need a large exhaust housing at that rpm as the backpressure will be through the roof

 

[PumaNoob]

Haha name a time and place, would love a look at your frp. I insure mine the first of October

Next time theres a meet near either one of us, well have a catch up then, hopefully your car will be insured and ready to go by then!

Bloody hell 10k rpm. I think I might pull mine at 10000 one time to see if it will hold on to the power there but wouldn't dare rev it there in the car.
You will need a large exhaust housing at that rpm as the backpressure will be through the roof

Problem is, if you go too big with the exhaust housing, you loose low down torque. A 10k RPM engine would sound immense, like a motorbike engine, but youd have to be really good to get good power through the whole rev range, might be worth fitting an actuator and butterfly in the exhaust that gave more back pressure low down, then opened up at higher rpm. Cams would have to be really hot to get enough flow at high rpm's, it would have to be at the expense of low down power, everything is a compramise. Has anyone developed variable lift and duration cams yet?? I know saab made a variable compression ratio engine, and variable vein turbos are quite common now, but if everything was adjustable, you could have complete control over everything, and pretty much no compramise!! If only carlsberg made cars!! :lol:

 

[RyanG]

Haha name a time and place, would love a look at your frp. I insure mine the first of October

Next time theres a meet near either one of us, well have a catch up then, hopefully your car will be insured and ready to go by then!

Bloody hell 10k rpm. I think I might pull mine at 10000 one time to see if it will hold on to the power there but wouldn't dare rev it there in the car.
You will need a large exhaust housing at that rpm as the backpressure will be through the roof

Problem is, if you go too big with the exhaust housing, you loose low down torque. A 10k RPM engine would sound immense, like a motorbike engine, but youd have to be really good to get good power through the whole rev range, might be worth fitting an actuator and butterfly in the exhaust that gave more back pressure low down, then opened up at higher rpm. Cams would have to be really hot to get enough flow at high rpm's, it would have to be at the expense of low down power, everything is a compramise. Has anyone developed variable lift and duration cams yet?? I know saab made a variable compression ratio engine, and variable vein turbos are quite common now, but if everything was adjustable, you could have complete control over everything, and pretty much no compramise!! If only carlsberg made cars!! :lol:

Haha all sounds brilliant but in real world terms get the vct to work properly with a big set of cams and a big gt28 and you will be about where you want to be. I think a compromise will be needed though one of the truest things I've ever heard in an engines perspective is, you can't get something for nothing, However fully controllable vct gets you a long way towards it

 

[RyanG]

I don't keep up with the shows since the old chap sold his race car are they all over this year now or have you guys got any planned ?

 

[PumaNoob]

Well make our own mini meet, for nerds only lol! Everybody has to wear a bum-bag, and a bluetooth hands free kit at all times! :lol:

 

[RyanG]

Well make our own mini meet, for nerds only lol! Everybody has to wear a bum-bag, and a bluetooth hands free kit at all times! :lol:

Sounds like I've got to go shopping haha
I'll leave that to you to arrange

 

[Ginger Tom]

The most advance variable valve engine that was produced at the time our cars where produced was the 1.8 VVC k series engine which iirc could adjust the lift on the valves and how advanced the cam was by using eppiclycic, don't think I've spelt that correctly, parts on each pair of lobes on the inlet cam which is why it costs so much to get them refurbed an why engine tuners that "specialise" in the k-series take them off, they can't get them to work properly, probably through not bothering to try or not using the software properly.

Just a bit of useless info for you there

 

[PumaNoob]

I think one or both the cams were split in 2 weren't they? My mate is big into those engines, a variant of the engine used in the Elise. It worked well in those engines, the only problems you ever heard of was head gaskets failing, so I wonder why the technology was never used in anything else?

 

[Ginger Tom]

The reason for the tech not being developed further was funding, what with the rover group's financial problem at the time. There are two variations of the 1.8 engine, the VVC and the non VVC, both of which were used in the elise. The VVC engine had two different outputs, 143 & 160 depending on who wanted the engine and which software/mapping they chose. You can get a 160 non VVC, though that has a turbo bolted onto it and was prodominately used in the bigger saloon cars like the rover 45 & 75 and mg zt and mg's version of the 45, I forget what that is called.

I think they only ran it on the inlet, though i cant be sure been ages since i had my coupe, like the FRP though only the VVC engines have a plenum chamber and unique to the engine

 

[ScubaSteve]

im arranging a mini meat